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It is all Babble & Nonsense & Lies IMHO.





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http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?p=91904#post91904



"If you are the son of a man who had a wealthy estate and you inherit your father's estate, you have to pay off the debts that your father incurred before he died.



The only reason that the present generation of white Americans are in a position of economic strength is because their fathers worked our fathers for over 400 years with no pay. We were sold from plantation to plantation like you sell a horse, or a cow, or a chicken, or a bushel of wheat.



All that money is what gives the present generation of American whites the ability to walk around the earth with their chest out like they have some kind of economic ingenuity. Your father isn't here to pay. My father isn't here to collect.



But I'm here to collect and you're here to pay."



Omowale Malcolm X











Queen Nzinga: Live Forever Via Us!!!

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"Nzinga knew that every white man in Africa was an enemy of the Blacks. It was a matter about which there was no room for debate in her mind. Even the holy robes of the priests in Angola not only covered their real mission as agents of the Portugese Empire, but also covered their lust for the Black bodies of their helpless so-called slave girls.



Nzinga continued her campaign against the Portugese, winning victories everywhere where a battle was joined. The Queen was further outraged over the success of the Portugese in capturing both of her younger sisters. This gave the enemy a most powerful bargaining weapon. Yet she continued to reject all of their principal demands, with the result that her sisters, to whom she was deeply devoted, remained in capitivity for many years. Nzinga was particularly ruthless with captured Black chiefs who were allies of the whites. She did not hesitate to sell such chiefs and their followers into slavery... she was one of the first Blacks to see that the Portugese conquests, the trade of prisoners-of-war, and the church were all inseparably, one and the same. The long years of warfare had been equally against all three, the unholy Trinity. She never surrended to any."

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pg 141 in Robinson, Battle & Robinson's The Journey of the Songhai People













Afrikan Traditions' Uses



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"...we shall continue on our present ruinous way until we wake up and retrace our steps to our ancestral system of culturally appropriate education, and then develop it.



The pertinent question to ask is not how other societies educate but how did our ancestors socialize and acculturate their children for their environment?



The answer does not lie in copying how other societies conduct their own training. There's so much to learn from what our ancestors did. If we find out how we did it in ancient times, we can then adapt from it and make a new version that will serve our new situation. What they did is still relevant. After all, we still live in the same ecosystem as they did. And they mastered how to live in it, which is why we have survived so far. And we should gratefully use their legacy to our benefit."



Chinweizu

















"Freedom is acquired by conquest, not by gift. It must be pursued constantly and responsibly. Freedom is not an ideal located outside of man; nor is it an idea which becomes myth. It is rather the indispensable condition for the quest for human completion."



Paulo Freire

Pedagogy of the Oppressed

















"Your philosophy determines your thought pattern;

Your thought pattern determines your attitude;

Your attitude determines your behavior pattern; and

Your behavior pattern determines your actions."



Anthony T. Browder

The Browder Files















"One had better die fighting against injustice than die like a dog or a rat in a trap."



Ida B. Wells













YAYA DIALLO on Ed. MALI vis a vis French



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"School never stopped me from participating in the social life of my community. In those years, not even one percent of us who went to French elementary school succeeded in graduating from high school. It did not enter our young heads that we would be among the one percent.



Just because we were going to school, our parents did not stop educating us in the ways of our traditional culture.



In no way would they have entrusted the moral upbringing of their children to the hands of the white people. They (the French) did not understand what school was supposed to be or produce."



YaYa Diallo & Mitchell Hall

The Healing Drum: Ancient Wisdom Teachings









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http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?p=92151#post92151











Originally Posted by IfasehunReincarnated

My complete answer is not represented in the poll. I will have to address the issue in several parts. (What did I have a premonition two days ago that AK was going to post this question? lol)



In any case, I am going to try to provide a historical, spiritual, political and cultural reply, I hope others do the same and keep it holistic:



Is it Wrong?

The short answer is "yes". The complete answer is a combination of many things. First off it?s wrong because we have enough black people polluting Afrikan spiritual systems with their western ways without adding the descendents of slave masters and the husbands and wives of modern imperialists to the mix.



Is it Against Divine Order?

I can't say that it?s against Divine Order other than to remind everyone that Afrikan Priests told us thousands of years ago to not mess with white folks in the first place. OUR ancestors IGNORED these warnings, so collectively whatever they are doing in whatever situation is OUR fault. That is, its Black people's fault because we didn?t listen to the Messages from the Black Gods in the first place. So in that sense it is against Divine Order, but WE are the ones out of order, not them. They are doing what they do, go explore, go take, go use, go change, go run it. They are being Europeans. What are we being?



Secondly, every person that gets initiated into the Priesthoods and even receives shrines of Black Gods sits on the mat and gets a divination reading. The Black Gods say "give my shrine to Billy Bob so he can prosper." or "induct such and such into the Priesthood, it will be good for his health." These white folks are getting readings and then getting instructions from the Black Gods of Afrika. So there is a problem here - some of us will actually divine for a white person. If you don't divine for him, you can't open a situation where you are responsible for his health or his well-being or his family, etc. But if you do.... well, there you go, you end up having to bring him into YOUR home and YOUR spiritual experience and if he doesn?t do right by YOUR culture, it?s all downhill.



If you don?t ask, you are not Obligated

Recently I have been discussing the importance of "how" a question in divination is phrased. Most westerners ask "can I?" not "should I?" and if they started asking "should I?" they might find that they shouldn't do some of the things they do like pretend homosexuality is the personal business of an individual when they know darn well that its a community issue. Or...that they ?can, but shouldn't" initiate people who are not of color into our traditions.



But again, once you sit on the mat and you ask, and on top of that you ask the wrong question - you end up with an answer that you might not be able live with. Many many white people get involved in Afrikan spirituality and get shrines and join priesthoods and these activities help THEM, but not US and its because we forgot to ask "should I?" because, and hold your breathe now WE ARE JUST AS WHITE AS THEY ARE IN HOW WE APPROACH OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GODS, so as a result THEY get what they want and we get MORE of what we DONT need.



The problem also is that a lot of people of color that are not are Afrikan are also involved in our traditions, like the few decedents of the Arawak nation in Cuba. These Indians needed our culture because theirs died out. But over time they are less politicized, and as a result they will get it from us and pass it on to Europeans too.



A long time ago a solution was devised and is used today: Some people are asked to take oaths when they receive certain things and that oath prohibits them from passing on those things to people that live certain kinds of lifestyles or that are a danger to true essence of the culture. More people need to do these oaths because once you do - the Gods WILL make them pay in a permanent way when they break them.



They Everywhere Holmes

Now mind you, going back to your question, it?s all mute - there are so many white people running around with these spiritual tools that it?s ridiculous. Only about 30% of Orisa devotees can move around without EVER running into any white folks in the States. That's real. They are everywhere. The question is where do you draw the line in terms YOUR INTERACTION with them when you meet them? Look at the example of Oba Adefunmi and his initiation as your example. He went to Cuba and got what he needed, reclaimed it for his people and kept moving. (I dont want to retell the story and ethnicity breakdown, but do your homework, you will see.)



I just got off the phone with one of the FIRST Black WOMEN born in America to get initiated - a stone cold nationalist. She says the same thing "you cant avoid them entirely, but you can decide what the extent of your relationship will be with them and stay true to your nationalistic roots and not put YOUR culture in harms way."



What's THEIR history as far as Earth-centered Spirituality?

The reality is that white people had their own indigenous traditions that were real and viable , for them . Unfortunately, most of the White people that practiced those systems were murdered or sent into the underground by other white people who represent a stronger, more aggressive and intolerant bunch of you-know-whats. These people heralded in Catholicism and what we see as Judaism... The real pagan traditions of Europe are not really practiced in the States at all. BUT this is what they need to resolve. They need to go back home and get their own stuff and work it, so they can heal themselves and purge themselves of their own ailments, which are plentiful.



The State of Affairs

The fact is they are here. It?s not even an issue of whether they should be, but whether EACH of US will continue to let MORE in. You can put a lock on the door, but its virtually impossible to get every Black and Indian in North, South and Latin America and the Caribbean to all agree to "kick the present euros" out. Why? because once YOU begin working with someone YOU need real cause to bounce them. And you can't tell the Orisa "oh I don?t like their color now" because you knew they color and their history when you began. lol In fact, they will remind you of when you asked "can I?" instead of asking "should I?" and then remind you that 500 years ago you ignored a warning to deal with them on ANY level, much less as spiritual cohorts.



Again our focus ought to be to convince devotees and priests to take personal responsibility for who THEY let in and not worry about what Joe on the other town is doing. White folks are doing them, but we are NOT doing US. We need to be Afrikans that look out for Afrikans first. It?s really easy to do. In fact, I tell Native Americans (which are what I call Indians and indigenous Latinos now) that they need to Native Nationalists and try to resurrect their cultures again, even folks like the Arawaks. Since they have Orisa in their lives anything is possible. Their ancestors will speak through our system and help them revive their culture.



Watch the Source

My last comment is based on that phone conversation I had with the Elder Sister Priest today. I relayed to her that a lot of negroes claiming to be nationalists are nationalists at all. They are head doctors, power trippers, ego maniacs, book worms, armchair revolutionaries and wordsmiths...



These negroes ironically enough do us a disservice because they attend ritual LESS than the white folks, follow tradition LESS than the white folks, spread rumors MORE than the white folks and are quicker to make something up or give themselves a title or some authority MORE than the white folks these days. They will point out a sister or brother, but let a White man walk on by. lol The white Latinos and WASPs (and homosexuals) have KNOWN this and exploited it, making it easy to stop this discussion you are trying to have by simply saying "white people own more agbadas, get along better, speak the language better and get their butts to temple more than half these black folks that are complaining about us." What do I mean to accomplish by sharing this?



If you aint never been to temple, you rarely go to temple, you aint got no shrines, you don?t work your shrines, you don?t speak no languages, you dont try to learn the languages, you don't own no Afrikan clothes (or only wear them to temple), you scared to wear your "beads", wont/don?t know now traditional prayers/songs/incantations, don?t support your elders socially, financially and emotionally, WHO ARE YOU TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHITE FOLKS? lol



Some of us cant even follow the worship calendar for the Orisa or the Abosom for a month and there are white folks working their shrines and attending functions and helping elders around the house DAILY on a consistent basis for years at a time. The Gods are holding up a mirror right now. We need to look at US. When we improve on US the white folks will hold neither power nor control over US or OUR traditions. But so long as we have negroes that cant make ebo, wont study divination faithfully, don?t know no ofo ase, dont fellowship with a community regularly, and dont respect their elders, etc.. we don?t have the RIGHT to speak.



A lot of these invaders make US look BAD.....seriously bad. I got stories but I won?t even go into it. I certainly won't go into how many "afrocentric" "pan-afrikan" and "conscious" black people darn near RUN AWAY from the culture, while these white folks LINE UP. Look at the job these crackers pulled on us! They took it, convinced us to hate it, made us take it for granted, then got a helping for themselves.



So I see the answer to your question that is really about white folks as an opportunity to address whats really so wrong w/ us that we keep letting them do what they naturally do (which is mess thangs up) and more importantly how some of US fail to honor, cherish, protect and practice faithfully our spiritual sciences and how the very cracker you are worried about not only does it but does it BIG.



We are.....as usual.... our worse enemy. White people cant topple us. We topple ourselves. Where the nationalists at? Where the spiriualists at? If we could every black nationalist to really start communicating to with their ancestors and the Black Gods of Afrika, we would have BEEN DONE BEEN free..regardless of the how the white folks roll.



(Besides i will go out and say if women are more spirirtually potent than men, than the Afrikan is more spiritually potent than the European..so if we do look at US, we ought to do fine in rectifiying this issue over time.)







Great response Bro. Ifasehan..Your anwsers pretty much sums up my view































Aryans and spirituality, a contradiction in terminology?!?



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My wife gets on me about my bitter sarcasm, but anyway!



Aryans and our spiritual systems remind me of dogs wearing sweaters... it is cute at best but really what is the points. These folks have clearly defined their position in the world as destroyers at what point does a harmonious deity come into play? Is it not further clear that divinity and holiness is something that is toyed with and utilized for conquest from their worldview? How much further must we play with this debate? Wholesale slaughter, rape, torture and defilement of spiritual artifacts does not befit the energy of a true GOD/DESS loving people. I say we go after their male murderous god and slit the bastards throat and send him back to the mountains!



I wake up next to the face of creation every morning and her name is Noni. I look into the faces of my children and recognize Afrika, I communicate with my brothers and sisters hear and witness the call of the ancestors to love and war simultaneously. What do I need from the White world?

















Originally Posted by Tehuti-4

Peace,



Once again let me restate that this question must be addressed by means other then the process we are currently undertaking if we want guidance on the subject.



I'm not sure which efforts to teach them you are speaking of especially since at this time we ourselves need to be re-taught and as I said this should be task #1. Travel the continent today...I'm sure you will find it difficult to find authentic traditional African culture - unless you know precisely where to look. If not, expect to see something along the order of what you would find in Chicago or LA in the US i.e. NOT African culture and certainly NOT African spiritual systems. In antiquity we did teach some of them (because we knew and practiced the culture) and small numbers of them did learn. They by and large were hunted into either secrecy or extinction by those threatened by that knowledge. However again we are not functioning like that now. If you proscribe death then be prepared to kill the vast majority of Africans as well as we are not functioning in balance or harmony at this point either. Look at us...no enemy is even required to subjugate us now we have learned quite well to do that to ourselves. Look at Watts, South Side Chicago, South Africa, Dafur, Rwanda. (again do not kill your enemy teach him)



Once you leave the lower spheres of the Tree of Life (7,8 & 9) things get very serious my brother. What we are discussing is the 4th Sphere on the Tree MA'AT. Ma'at is the foundation without which NETER HER/HIMSelf could not even manifest ItSelf in order to Create the Uni-Verse. It is difficult to conceive let alone accept the relationship that we have with those who may be dreaming of our immolation. Prophecy tells us that destroying them is not only not possible but will not achieve the end that the part of our spirit that would seek this envisions. Were Whites created to bring the type of adversity that would lead us back to our spiritual way of life? The Earth itself was created for that purpose - and that includes everything in it and on it. For most of us individually it will not be yt that drives us to spiritual culture it will be our mate LOL!! or our health. As spiritual beings we accept everything that happens to us WE AGREED to before coming here. The only place and time without the challenges of the Earth is the inner planes.



ONE!





Uhuru Bro. Tehuti,



I am aware of and have been witness to many examples, both historically and currently, of the divine sanctioning our nationbuilding efforts, and our taking up of arms against our oppressors. Prior to the arrival of Europeans, there are numerous reports of oracles and deities forewarning us of the consequences of dealing with Yurugu. Our widespread maroonage and guerilla warfare was, to a great extent, at the behest of our divinities. We all know about Haiti. Even today I am aware of messages from deities and spirits of the dead that call for our acknowledgment of the reality of war that we find ourselves in. We are at war. A war that we didn't initiate. A war that we must win. War is consistent with the natural order. Our divinities and ancestors, indeed the Creator have our collective back.



I respect your position on the issue. I can understand your perspective. I do think it is a bit ahistorical. I'm scared that your approach would continue to leave us vulnerable to attack. You're right though. This won't get solved through discussion. I trust that we'll work it out in real life, as a people.

















Originally Posted by Ajaguna

Uhuru Bro. Tehuti,



I am aware of and have been witness to many examples, both historically and currently, of the divine sanctioning our nationbuilding efforts, and our taking up of arms against our oppressors. Prior to the arrival of Europeans, there are numerous reports of oracles and deities forewarning us of the consequences of dealing with Yurugu. Our widespread maroonage and guerilla warfare was, to a great extent, at the behest of our divinities. We all know about Haiti. Even today I am aware of messages from deities and spirits of the dead that call for our acknowledgment of the reality of war that we find ourselves in. We are at war. A war that we didn't initiate. A war that we must win. War is consistent with the natural order. Our divinities and ancestors, indeed the Creator have our collective back.



I respect your position on the issue. I can understand your perspective. I do think it is a bit ahistorical. I'm scared that your approach would continue to leave us vulnerable to attack. You're right though. This won't get solved through discussion. I trust that we'll work it out in real life, as a people.







Hetep,



I don't encourage any move without consultation with the Divine so I am not concerned about doing anything that would leave us "vulnerable". I understand the position of many soldiers here because many articulate positions that were my own not very long ago. But then my view of the world was dominated by a political analysis. Politics alone will present a different perspective then a spiritual view. Many people play lip service to spirituality but don't really understand or appreciate the power that lies in its application even on an elementary level.



There is a single FORCE in this world and each one of us contributes to its energy and vibration. One must consider a figure like Fidel Castro for example and ask how in the world has this man been able to survive the utter hatred, contempt and perhaps innumerable attempts that have been made to kill and remove him from power made by the most powerful and sinister force on this earth today? I mean these people have killed anybody - all over the world but not this old man 90 miles from the Florida coast. The US Marines are ON that tiny island!!! at Guantanamo. That is protection. That is the kind of protection that comes from following and living in accordance with Ma'at.



If we use the spiritual technology of our ancestors there is no force on this earth that can oppose or threaten us. No need to even worry about it warrior. The force I am speaking of CANNOT accrue to the wicked it cannot be made available to those who are out of balance with the Force of Life. Many have gotten their toochy burned off messin with that. You must come correct when you deal with that.



It is our destiny to set this world right - to return the balance of Ma'at and to assume the responsibility of leading and calling the world to our feet to learn the science of life.



Love & respect



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http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?p=91866#post91866



Fla. Teen Gets 30 Years for Gun Possession



By BRIAN SKOLOFF,

Associated Press Writer



Lionel Tate was sentenced Thursday to 30 years in prison for violating probation, the latest twist in the case of the teenager convicted of murdering a 6-year-old girl in what his attorneys initially claimed was a pro wrestling move.



Under the latest charge, Tate had faced between 10 and 30 years in prison for violating his probation by having a gun and allegedly robbing a pizza delivery man last year.



The judge Thursday allowed him to withdraw his guilty plea in the May 2005 robbery, but still sentenced him on the gun charge.



Tate, now 19, was 12 when he was convicted in the 1999 beating death of Tiffany Eunick.



His murder conviction was overturned by an appeals court in 2004 after the panel found it wasn't clear whether Tate understood the charges. He was freed from prison under a deal in which he pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced to 10 years' probation.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060518/...restling_death



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Not the first time he was violated



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I don't think this was the first time he violated his parole. I remember him being arrested with a knife.



I have no facts but I have a feeling this child was harrassed unendingly and mercilessly by the police. Not that thats and excuse for him to have a gun but how difficult would it be for them to drive him to such an end. They were probably like - "you may have escaped that life sentence on appeal but we are going to get your black ass soon enough anyway".



Growing up from age 12 with the prison, parole and police on your heels can only end one way. He was marked - both by the celebrity of his first case and the seething hatred and contempt of a vicious racist criminal justice system.



Sad.





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Two Reprieves Lost, Tate Gets 30 Years



The Florida man, 19, violated his probation for killing a first-grader

seven years ago.



By Jon Burstein

South Florida Sun-Sentinel



FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. ? Tears ran down Lionel Tate's chubby cheeks when the 14-year-old left a Broward County courtroom in handcuffs as the youngest American ever sentenced to life in prison.



Five years later, having squandered two chances at freedom, the lean-faced Tate calmly walked out of the same courtroom Thursday after being sentenced to 30 years in prison for violating his probation for the murder of first-grader Tiffany Eunick. The 19-year-old man briefly covered his face as his sentence was handed down, but there were no tears this time after listening to a judge's strong words.



"In plain English, Lionel Tate, you've run out of chances," said acting Circuit Judge Joel T. Lazarus.



Tate still could spend the rest of his life in prison after making a choice Thursday that baffled his attorney and prosecutors: Tate rejected a deal that ensured he would face no additional prison time on an armed robbery charge.



Tate insisted he wanted to fight charges he held up a Domino's deliveryman at gunpoint for four pizzas. He could end up with a life prison term tacked to his 30-year sentence if he's convicted. Tate has been in the media spotlight since his July 1999 arrest as a 12-year-old accused of beating to death his 6-year-old playmate inside his mother's Pembroke Park home. A jury convicted him in 2001 of first-degree murder, which meant Lazarus had to give him a life sentence. The case sparked a fierce debate over whether juveniles should be tried as adults.



Tate got a second chance at freedom in 2004, when an appellate court overturned his conviction and he got 10 years' probation with a plea deal for second-degree murder. He was back in jail nine months later for violating his probation after getting caught outside after curfew. Tate spent 52 days in jail before Lazarus released him again in November 2004, giving him an extra five years' probation.



Seven months later, authorities arrested Tate in the May 2005 robbery, and he's been behind bars since.



"Most do not even get a second chance, let alone a third chance," Lazarus said. "The choices were there for you, and you chose wrong."



Tate declined to speak Thursday before he was sentenced for violating his probation by possessing a gun and breaking a glass door at the Broward County Jail. He had faced a sentence of no less than 10 years and no more than 30 years under an agreement he reached with prosecutors on the probation violations.



His attorney, H. Dohn Williams, argued that Tate's failure to stay out of prison could be attributed to his mother's neglect. Kathleen Grossett-Tate, a Florida Highway Patrol trooper, left guns in the home that were readily accessible.



"What I say to Ms. Tate is that today is the day you go home and you look in the mirror and you say to yourself, 'How did I fail my son?' " Williams said.



Williams said Grossett-Tate visited her son in jail only once between May 2005 and December. Broward sheriff's detention records pulled Thursday show no record of Grossett-Tate visiting her son during that time.



Before Williams spoke, Grossett-Tate gave an emotionless 30-second speech on her son's behalf.



"This is very hard being back in the courtroom with my son," Grossett-Tate said. "I just ask for mercy for my son. It's been a long, long five years."



Her attorney, Michael Hursey, said Grossett-Tate was disappointed by the 30-year sentence but remained hopeful for her son's future.



He said Grossett-Tate was surprised by Williams' remarks about her.



As a law enforcement officer, Grossett-Tate needed guns, Hursey said.



She had trusted her son's judgment and thought she had physical safeguards in place preventing access to the weapons, the attorney said.



Grossett-Tate believes there is strong evidence that her son didn't commit the robbery, but it was ultimately his decision to fight that case, Hursey said.



Williams said Tate's mother and jail inmates have been giving Tate bad advice that is leading him astray.



Some people "are telling him he's going to win his appeal on violating his probation, and he is going to win his robbery case, and he's going to be out in a year as a free man," Williams said.



Williams observed that Tate's mother had been the one in 2001 who rejected a plea deal in the murder case that would have sent her son to a juvenile detention facility for three years.



Assistant State Atty. Chuck Morton did not make any sentencing suggestions to Lazarus. He said after the hearing that Tate's decision not to plead guilty to the robbery and avoid more prison time was "extremely risky and unusual."



Lazarus said that as a father, he had anguished over sentencing Tate five years ago.



"Maybe somewhere within this less than perfect system of criminal justice, a fourth chance will be afforded to you," Lazarus said. "But until that day comes ? if it ever does come ? you must bear full responsibility for the consequences of all that has transpired."



Tate's robbery trial is to start Sept. 18.



http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...adlines-nation

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That's a shame. A damn shame. The US criminal justice system is like a boogie man - lurking - stalking - dogging - hunting the African man like some kind of damn horror movie psychopath.





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ESSAY BELOW ABOUT THE MOVIE CRASH



Crashing the black female image

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Crashing the Black Female Image

By Stephanie Mwandishi Gadlin

(StephGadlin@yahoo.com)



While much ado is being made about Crash winning the Best Picture award at the recent Oscars, Black women shouldn't be so quick to cheer a film that in the end winds up reinforcing many of Hollywood stereotypes we have fought against over the last few decades.



It is well-documented that the female image in U.S. entertainment culture routinely depicts Black women in the following ways





? As poorly educated, unmarried

? As sexually repressed or obsessive

? As routinely hostile to Black men and boys

? As tragically mulatto (light skin); racially confused

? As an over-religious mammy more concerned for the welfare of whites than her own children

? And, as overweight, comedic and/or obsessed with "finding a man."



Upon further look Crash reinforces the notions about Black women as emasculating, helpless, sexualized victims while at the same time works to soften and then rationalize anti-Black, racist behavior of the whites depicted in the film.



We are introduced to the first Black female character through the light-skin, Brit-born actress Thandie Newton who is incidentally performing a sex act on her director-husband [played by Terrence Howard] as he drives home.



Following a questionable traffic stop, we are soon face-to-face with an out-of-control Newton--whom we are constantly reminded is intoxicated--who while pleading helplessly with her terrified husband is sexually assaulted by a racist police officer, while his seemingly non-racist partner stands ideally by. Her husband, the Black man, cannot save her, and will not save her, least he wind up in jail or dead. To the viewer we are left to wonder if he is a coward or a hero who chooses his battles wisely.



Later, Newton launches into a tirade about her husband's lack of masculinity, lack of blackness and lack of courage. Howard does his best to defend himself, but unwilling or unable to go toe to toe with his wife's fervor, winds up internalizing his rage. "Its all your fault," he reminds her over and over again. The wife screams, shouts and threatens to report the officer, played by Matt Dillon, to his higher ups in the police department, but doesn't.



Howard's character, along with one portrayed by veteran actor Keith David, represent Black men who would rather sacrifice their self dignity than their careers. Neither of them are willing to take on the white power structure for the sake of pursued justice. They are neither noble or honorable. They are empowered, powerless victims who understand 'their place' in a society dominated by white men.



We last encounter an emotionally impacted Newton upside down in her car during a traffic accident. With life-staking moments ticking away, to her horror, she comes face to face with her would-be hero, the same white cop who just hours before sexually assaulted her. In this twisted paradox, a noble, yet 'they made me racist" Dillon rescues Newton and she collapses thankful, grateful, tragic, into his strong and masculine arms. She stares almost lovingly into his eyes as she is ushered away from the crash--perhaps thankful that she didn't report him to his superiors after all. And so are we.



Though it is subtly implied, we never see Newton's character reconcile with her own husband. Instead, we are left breathing sighs of thanks that this white man, could put away his racist leanings to do his job. After all, we have since found out that Dillon's character is only a racist because his ailing father was forced out of a job and better health benefits because of affirmative action. We empathize with him as we see Shaniqua, the African American HMO official, unapologetically deny his claim.



Dillon's character's racism is a byproduct of society's cruel turn of events that place Black people in positions of authority. His mental illness isn't to blame, its "Shaniqua" fault. Its all of those Blacks who put good white folk out of their jobs, because of affirmative action, who make him behave this way. We see Dillon's character tortured by his father's condition as he help's his dad on and off the toilet. We should empathize with him, not pity him, and further understand that his racism is not of his own making.



The third Black woman depicted in the film is a drug-addicted, incoherent mother of a indifferent police detective, played by Don Cheadle, and a likeable thief, portrayed by Larenz Tate. We are introduced to her through her environment, a garbage strewn apartment. She sits near comatose on her balcony wondering when her youngest son will come home.



There is no back story about this family for us to empathize with. We do not know if this woman is married or widowed. We don't know what drove her to drug addiction. We do not know if her sons are the product of one union or two, one-night stands. This mother's wounds are self-inflicted and so her problems all stem from her own poor choices. There is no explanation or excuses, she is what she is--a "crack head," single mother, battling her addiction alone. She has no food in the refrigerator because put the groceries in her arm or her pipe. Her passive, brown eyes tell us its not her fault, but the verdict is still out.



Crash tells us that mother actually loves the criminal son (Tate) more than the one who has seemingly taken a route of responsibility, education and career advancement (Cheadle). We do not understand why this tragic mother would embrace her two-strikes, car-jacking son over her more responsible one. Is this a subliminal suggestion that Black mothers or people, in general, are more accepting of criminal behaviors? We never find out why.



Throughout the film we are reminded that Crash's white characters are flawed and racist only because society drives them to be this way (affirmative action, reverse discrimination, rampant crime, etc.); while the Black characters seemingly suffer because of internal wounds (drug addiction, poor choices, criminal behavior, etc.)--not institutional racism. The only one who speaks for them and attempts to explain why these characters engage in antisocial behavior is another white man, a public relations hack hired by the District Attorney. Even his explanation of poor schools, lack of opportunity, and police misconduct is dismissed as being nothing more than cultural whining.



Black people suffer because of self-inflicted wounds--remember. White institutional racism is just a misunderstanding, remember.



When Tate's character and the one portrayed by Atlanta-based rapper Ludacris, attempts to justify their poor life choices, the audience is left laughing at their self-examination. These two are comedic relief. It is funny that one of these men find conspiracies in white society. It is funny that they choose to only rob white people. It is amusing that they seem remotely intelligent. It is funny when (Ludacris) comes across another victim and it turns out to be a Black man (Howard). We laugh when he is disarmed, chastised and then given his weapon back.



None of these Black people in the film are redeemed--despite Crash's poor attempt to show some sense of morality. Dillon's character, however, is immediately redeemed by his heroic act; the suburbanite (Sandra Bullock) finds herself redeemed by recognizing the humanity and friendship of her Latino housekeeper; and a supposedly non racist cop (Ryan Phillip) who winds up killing one of the carjackers, is excused all together because it appears almost justified. All of the whites in Crash are really good people who are just victims of circumstance.



The Blacks, Latinos, Asians and Middle Eastern people depicted in Crash are all guilty of their poor choices, society's stereotypes, cross-cultural miscommunication and their own cowardice. We shake our head at the Asian human trafficker but not at European who seeks to buy slaves. Complete with American flags waving in the background, our patriotism is subtly reinforced throughout the sequence of events featuring the Latino locksmith and the Persian storeowner.



I must admit that I raised these questions after initially giving the film great reviews. This is a good movie. It is the best example of propaganda film in some time. Crash does what all good Hollywood films should do, it evoked emotion, thought, and reflection. It entertained. It forces us to transfer real human emotion to contrived and a set unrealistic events in order to authenticate its hidden message.



We passively accept the racist reinforcement of Crash while at the same time believe we are rejecting it.



Given the backdrop of Crash's Academy Award win on the same night this same the group also awarded Three 6 Mafia's "Its Hard Out Here for a Pimp," as song of the year, I had to take another look. How could "the Academy" reject Howard's performance in one of the most 'thought provoking' films of the year; yet, nominate him for his portrayal of a pimp suffering from a midlife crisis?



Had I been duped into believing that an industry that has so rife with depicting Black people as more criminal, more violent, more ignorant than we are could suddenly change its stripes? Had I been pacified by the Oscars given to Halle Berry, Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman and Jamie Foxx?



People responded to Crash, and rightly so--it pushes psychological buttons. Its vivid imagery makes you ignore the generalities and tricks you into thinking you are rejecting basic stereotypes rather than reinforcing them.



I know people will read this and take me to task. "This was a good movie," someone will shout. "This was an excellent film," others will say. "You have too much time on your hands," another might retort. "It was only a movie."



For those comments and others I am reminded of the African proverb: "beware of the naked man who offers you his shirt."

























stepping into unknown territory



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i know very little about african spirituality so i am not gonna say anything about any of the systems but i can definately see a parallel between what certain people on the board are saying (infiltration) and what was documented in Stolen Legacy. When Greeks came in and raped KMT of its Mystery System which was spirituality, economics, politics, education, science so on and so forth. This sounds like the sequel that I myself don't want to see come true. Pretty soon Yoruba, Metu Neter (if I mispell or use the wrong term please correct me) or African Spirituality in general and the claim that is has its origin in Afrika will be discredited by yt and used by them to further their cause while a large portion of Afrikans are still Christian, Muslim Jewish...and still getting nowhere in our struggle. That's my cheap little two cents



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 PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 12:36 am    Post subject: From the white church, Why cant I Reply with quote Back to top

You speak of unity, You preach Black Pride, I say the same things, And thats not right? Why cant I be proud? Because Im White, If its ok for you, Then why cant I? If you want equality to be treated the same, Then get the chip off your shoulder! And stop playing these games. I have the right to be proud, Just the same as you, Of that makes me prejudice, Then what does it make you??
 
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I am sick of the Niggers' attitudes. They are the dumbest, ugliest and smelliest race on earth. They have shit skins, sloping foreheads, apish noses and ears, pubic hair on their heads, slanted eyes like chinamen and they stink to high heaven even when they wash! Add their nastiness and whining and demands and you've got a race even beaners and other muds hate!

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